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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:11 |
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To me the MP is the greatest discovery since the wheel, or at least the medicine wheel. So, when I approach others with this news I'm always amazed at the less than luke-warm response. It's either a big yawn and a change in subject or a switch to a discussion about their favourite new herbal remedy. What gives?
It seems the only people who are really interested in the MP are those who are ready to kick the bucket or know someone who is. I've had a father come to me and say "My son is dying of cancer. Do you think the MP can help?" His son died one week later. I suggested the MP to someone struggling with MS. She said she was tired of trying new things and just wanted to enjoy life now. OK. Perhaps that's best.
At this time I'm resigned to the fact that no one is going to listen to what I have to say until I'm completely unequivocally cured and even then will they say it was just a coincidence -- spontaneous remission?
Sometimes I think the MP is just too big a discovery for people to grasp.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 03:17 |
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Ken,
Your last comment answers your question pretty well.
We all resist changes in our paradigm.
If we didn't we would run after each new idea and never get traction on any of them.
Thoughtful people stare at a new idea like owls in a tree.
The rest just ignore them... too much effort to sift through the chaff to get to the wheat.
So it takes patience and repetition of multiple versions of the same idea before it begins to create enough interest in those who have only subclinical symptoms or are already busy with their other ideas.
UNTIL they, or a loved one hits the wall.
THEN new ideas are welcomed as alternatives to the horror they are living in.
As for the MP, there were the early adopters, mostly Sarcies given no true help by 'standard of care' medicine.
Now we have the 'second wave' of RA, Lyme, CFS, FM and other chronic illnesses giving it a try.
There will be more knocking at the MP door.
We have no lack of people slowing sinking into chronic disease.
All we need is patience as we continue to experience and share about the 'MPath.'
The paradigms will change.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 03:37 |
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Ken,
A few years ago, I worked for a plant manager who had a great philosophy, both in business and life. He had always been taught to "never give up on anyone or anything." Don always shared that philosophy with everyone he met. We have remained close friends, although we have both taken different paths but his words will always be with me! I believe this got me through flight school and it is now helping me get well...
I've often thought of this *NEVER GIVE UP* attitude when I read about Trevor and those involved in his research. The endless amount of time and energy that has been dedicated to this incredible treament, the knowledge that it is healing chronic illness, yet always having to justify the science to the naysayers! The energy and attitude that must take!
So with that Ken, I say we keep on telling everyone we can...that's what I do...it is just too BIG to keep to ourselves!
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 04:41 |
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I know what you mean, Ken. It is very discouraging, especially when you are trying to explain this to someone who could really benefit from it. I guess most people want to stick with what they know.
It is my curiosity and never ending quest for better answers that led me to this protocol....and the minute I had read the theory behind I "recognized" it as being the truth.
But my three siblings all think I am crazy. And each one of them has Th1 but don't see it. They reinforce each other and I am the one who is wrong. I don't know what will happen when it becomes impossible for them to ignore this....I suspect they'll say "she was never really sick, anyway".
I agree with you, however....this is the greatest medical discovery. (The weirdest part is...it was there for everyone to see for over one hundred years, but they whole medical establishment just ignored these little things.)
It takes a person who can think outside the box.....and there aren't many of them.
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Many people find new information threatening. Change, even positive change, upsets power balances as well as routines. It's hard to be told that you've made a mistake in your thinking.
I think it's true to some extent, too, that people short of the desperation stage truly don't take their illness seriously on the deepest levels. They figure that "everybody has something" and management is something to make small talk about. In other words, it all seems normal. It's a form of denial, and Dr. Marshall has pointed out that some degree of denial is a factor for even those of us who are seriously behind the protocol. I know it has been for me.
As to the "never really sick"-"spontaneous remission" thing, I am sure we will end up hearing that and worse. One of my pre-MP medical misadventures was a relationship with a therapist who taught the old trauma repression thing. She said that my fibro symptoms were the result of trauma from my past being left unresolved and therefore trapped in my body and brain, and that my lizard brain kept reacting as if the traumatic situation was still going on (hence the poor sleep, aggravated startle response, and so on). She expected me to eventually experience a sort of purge, in which I would shake and tremble as I vented off the traumatic energy. This is a dangerous practice, as the search for the buried trauma can actually create dysfunctional thinking patterns. Today, I call it "secular demonism."
The MP experience could too easily be co-opted into that line of thinking. Therapists such as that one will say that the light avoidance is a way of "journeying inward," that the IP is actually the venting of traumatic energy, and that it all proves the trauma hypothesis was right all along and that the Benicar is just a crutch. Of course it's patently wrong; it's non-falsifiable and a form of magical thinking, cognitive science has shown that our bodies do not store trauma, and Occam's Razor rules it out. But co-option is yet another twist that those of us who want to promote the MP will need to recognize and prepare for.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 12:38 |
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Ask yourself how all of us came to the MP, and it might give some clues about what motivates people to come to the MP.
I had been so sick for so long, and had tried so many things that I had become incredibly skeptical of anything new that came along. It wasn't that I wasn't interested in getting well, it was the fact that I had already gone through so many different things that I was afraid of getting my hopes up, yet again, and spending a fortune for something that didn't work. And when I first learned about the MP, it went against many of the dogma myths that I had come to accept as absolute truth.
What convinced me was that the person who originally posted about the MP planted the seed in my mind that sunlight might make my problem worse. I had been lead to believe that sunlight was good for people with chronic illnesses like mine, so I tried to get enough sunlight when I could, on my better days. But it would leave me exhausted for days afterwards, even if I didn't do anything while being in the sun. It wasn't until I actually started charting my regressions and identifying that the days when I got sunlight exposure consistently preceded the days that I crashed that I began to consider the MP.
Many people who have chronic illnesses feel better from sunlight. I wasn't one of them by the time I started looking at the MP. (In retropsect, I don't think I EVER was one of them.) My reaction to both sunlight, and everything that was high in vitamin D was very definitely negative reactions. But I wouldn't have seen it if someone hadn't pointed it out because I was so indoctrinated to believe that sunlight and vitamin D were good. It was my own response to sunlight and foods high in vitamin D that convinced me that the MP might have some validity.
But my reaction isn't necessarily what someone else might experience. Face it; vitamin D can make many people feel good. There are sunbathing addicts who are addicted to the good feeling they get from sun exposure. Fish oil supplements with all that undeclared vitamin D make a lot of people feel better. All that coral calcium with added vitamin D makes some people feel good. Getting enough vitamin D to shut off immune function makes many people feel better. It's hard to get past that feel good feeling and come to believe that they are in fact not a good sign. I just happened to be one of the less common people who were made to feel terrible from sun and vitamin D. But I wouldn't have noticed it if someone hadn't planted the seed in my mind, because of my indoctrination into the benefits of vitamin D and sunlight.
I can't help but be glad that I had such nasty symptoms as I did, because they were definitely very noticeable once I was able to get past the illusion that I was benefiting from sun and things with vitamin D. But I had to get past that initial hurdle of belief.
Even after I started the MP, I was hesitant to allow myself to really believe in it. It was just one more treatment option that I was willing to try to drag myself through in the hopes that this might be the one. Over time the science behind the MP has become more grounded in my mind, and my own successes so far mean that I am now very much on board with the MP. But being so shell-shocked from all the past things that didn't work didn't make it easy for me to change gears.
In spite of my own improvements, my family, who all very definitely have Th1 illnesses, but who just aren't yet as sick as I had become, have yet to really accept the MP. My husband still insists that he'd rather die than give up golf, even for a couple years. (Though his bad back may force him to have to give up golf eventually anyway.) My daughter insists that she'd rather die than have to beg a doctor to put her on the MP because of her phobias about the medical system. (Brought on in part by the many horrible experiences that ~I've~ had over the years with doctors that she's had to witness.) My son insists that he'd rather die than have to think about what he eats and become a chronic label reader. (He's big on junk food, convenience foods, and a coffee addict because of his night time security job. He's still young enough that he hasn't had to take his mortality seriously yet.) My parents have insisted that their beliefs in God are sufficient to carry them through anything, even though my mother is fast degrading from Alzheimer’s, and my father has suffered a stroke a few months back. My sister insists that her naturopath is doing wonders for her, even though she struggles with thyroid issues and obesity and many other health problems that her naturopath hasn't really helped her with, and I don't doubt that she's headed down the same path as my mother. And the list of excuses that other relatives have given for not believing in the MP are just as varied.
The list of excuses that my relatives have for not believing in the MP seems to hit on just about every excuse that I've seen posted from people elsewhere unwilling to accept the MP, who come along and try to question Dr. Marshall and his staff to find some trick they might have missed, or some reason to justify their lack of belief in the MP.
Even if I get completely well, I highly doubt my family will accept the MP, until their health declines beyond their ability to cope. And that may mean that some of them never will, because they'll die before they get that chance. And I also believe that the depression that accompanies Th1 illnesses also likely makes people give up, and not want to continue to fight. People begin to accept their fate as inevitable, and they can't change gears because they are already too far advanced with Th1 pathogens that alter their thinking.
Interestingly enough, part of what influenced me was when someone on one of my email groups promoted some really quack treatment of putting a cotton ball in one's ears, which was supposed to put pressure on some mysterious meridian points in the ear canal, (which none of the bioenergy practitioners that I talked with believed existed) that was supposed to then somehow cure people of their chronic health problems. I absolutely blasted the idea as ludicrous. But someone told me that I was being very close minded, and I obviously wasn't serious about wanting to get well, and that I shouldn't knock it if I wasn't willing to at least try it. So, just to show that I was open minded, I did try it, and ended up with an ear infection, because the cotton balls held moisture in my ear canals that bacteria then started flourishing on. But that experience also lead to me questioning how open minded I really was, and how serious I really was about wanting to get well. And I started to look seriously at even the most preposterous ideas in the hopes that one of those crazy ideas might actually work. By that point, I would have even gladly taken placebo effect, if it would have made me feel better. And that is the desperation state that I was in when I was introduced to the MP. I was trying to have a more open mind, and trying to be willing to try anything, however odd it might seem, to show that I was really serious about getting well. I certainly couldn't loose, since I was already in major decline, and I felt like I already had one foot in the grave, anyway. What was a few less miserable years in an already miserable life, anyway? And besides, once I started looking at the science behind the MP, it actually began to make sense.
And here I am now, a strong supporter of the MP, and completely close minded about anything else, not because I'm a close minded person, but because I've learned to look at the science of things and the science just isn't behind any of the other methods out there. And my own success has convinced me. While I'm not completely well, I am a far cry from what I was previous to the MP. I've had more improvement on the MP than everything else I've ever tried, combined. I can't deny my own success. And my progress so far on the MP gives me hopes that I might actually do better than to just stop the rapid decline, but to actually experience a quality of health that is unprecedented in people my age, and a longer life free of the many common worries about illnesses that are fatal in old age. Instead of looking at my life as almost being over, I'm now looking at a lifespan that will likely allow me to actually accomplish the goals that I'd like to be able to before I die.
But getting to a point where I could even begin to consider the potential of the MP meant dispelling the myths that I had been indoctrinated with my whole life, and also having my neurochemistry improve while on the MP. Those Th1 pathogens have a very strong affect on people's minds, making them far more skeptical and negative and prejudicial about everything. I also suspect that Th1 pathogens are one of the big reasons why so many doctors are so close minded about the MP. They block their ability to rationalize and reason and analyze. They influence people to be very dogmatic, egotistical, overly critical and prejudicial. It's like a form of insanity that is driving the human race to its destruction. And you can't just fight it by promoting the MP with logic, no matter how logical the MP might be. People have to be convinced by repeated exposure to the MP, by planting a seed and then nurturing it again and again until it is ready to bloom into acceptance.
It's hard to be on the receiving end of so much skepticism, but it's getting easier to take mentally now that my brain is working a little bit better. In time, I think that other people's skepticism won't bother you to the degree that it currently does, because your own mind will be more flexible and adaptive once it's free of the crushing influence of Th1 pathogens.
(Sorry about the long ramble. I get this way when I'm really herxing intensely.)
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 13:32 |
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Linda J, I think your "writing herx" made quite a few good points! 
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 15:50 |
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Linda,
I agree with Joyful, you and also Shegeek, make some very good points about what we will acknowledge when we are very ill...people do one of two things, they either choose to "give up" or they find a way to get well. I was going to post this in my progress report and found this to be a great thread, so I'll copy here also!
For me, the MP answered many questions that I'd struggled with for over 20 years. I wasn't willing to just take what a doc told me as gospel, just because he was a doctor. WE know how we feel, it is that simple! When I had a well known internist tell me after looking over my long list of neuro symptoms, that I needed a psychiatrist, I walked out of his office knowing that he might be the one that needed a psychiatrist to help him practice better! This was before my sarc dx. We can learn a lot from listening to our bodies!
Here are some points that the MP answered when I started reseraching it in 2006, that went back to the late 1980's for me:
Why is the lymph in my neck, groin and chest area always so swollen, with other lymph areas very tender? Once diagnosed with sarc it was very evident why. I had wondered for years if I wasn't dying with a slow growing leukemia. After reading through the lymph connection with Th1 disease, 
Why does a cold always goes into my chest, turn into bronchitis and require antibiotics to clear up, when others colds just go away? This was common. I dreaded getting a cold as I would always end up on an antibiotic, something did not seem right. After reading MP....
With my 1990 neuro flare, I became highly light sensitive. After seven years of neuro, things settled but not the light sensitivity. No doctor could explain it, especially the oh so aggravating fluorescent lights, ugh...In 2006 as I researched MP, well, we all know what I found about the direct connection to amalgda, bright lights and sunlight...what a novel
Neuro symptoms were endless, fatigue that was not resolved with rest, loss of balance, loss of spacial grounding, sensation of plugged ears, dizziness 24/7, internal body tremors, external body tremors, feeling like the floor was moving under me, light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, stiff neck, low grade temp, loss of eyesight in one eye, lack of concentration, unable to find words, brain fog, confusion, facial edema, MCS...Neuro symptoms explained with Th1 illness, hmmmm, didn't need a psychiatrist after all...
Exercise intolerance, becoming fatigued, chest pressure and coughing. My energy level seemed low, so anything I did and it was a lot, came from physically having to push myself all the time...What could be more classic sarc, explained by the MP....
Responding to short courses of antibiotics always gave me this burst of wellness, I knew there was something bacterial going on. Sinus infections were endless, to the point I was taking steroid shots in my nose. Ear problems, eye problems, bladder infections, IBS,... A needle in haystack, or so I thought....Until I researched the MP...
Reacting to milk, dairy, eggs and fish was always very obvious. After my neuro flare I did things like stopped drinking milk, cutting back on coffee hoping to relieve the stress on my body which I thought was allergy related. What I didn't pick up was how badly I felt after eating eggs and fish...Sun exposure not only brought on fatigue but irritability and then I became a flight attendant...Just a little bit of UV going on there!... Vitamin D was one of the first things I picked up with the MP. It was like getting smacked in the face. Of course, I had not only been a big sunworshipper but sat in an open all glass curtainwall office 40 hours a week with full blown sun on me...
It wasn't long after finding out I had sarc and then reading about the MP, that everything came together. There wasn't a doctor within 200 miles that could answer any of my questions through the years. Yet the MP did...
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 17:44 |
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Hey you guys! Some people just are egotistical and can never admit that something has value if they didn't come up with it first. So be it.
I understand from the Director of Blood Services that medicine is only going to pick up on it after it hits the professional journals in medicine.
One of my docs was telling me about how I'll need D and Calcium for my bones. I reminded him, no D for me! Also, I then suggested he should take a look for himself at the MP site when he has the chance. His response, (referring to his short lecture on the benefits of D).. "Well, that's what they tell us." You know what that "they" means, the docs have to stick by the accepted AMA treatments for now. They need that professional journal or AMA guidelines backing them up. Most of them want to stick to business as usual and not get any complaints to their licensing medical boards for going into uncharted waters. I think the Director of Blood Services is right. The professional medical journals picking it up will be a great boon.
Just wait! families members will be hard pressed to say that some of you never were sick when you finally get to that age-reversing point in treatment and you are all running around like 30-year-olds while siblings may continue on the path to old codgers. Then maybe, slowly, they will stealthily make that shift, so it looks like it was their own idea all along. (roll eyes!)
or not.. some just want the easy, magic bullet way out, I guess that is up to them to decide the course of their life. Luckily for us, we will instead be experiencing that regenerative effect.
Won't that be fun?
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Shegeek, Thank you for a new phrase "secular demonism." I use the phrase "spiritual abuse" to describe what it feels like new agers tell me that as soon as I have learned the lesson my illness was meant to teach me in this life, I will be well.
Well, my illness has taught me not to listen to spiritual abusers and secular demons. I really dislike when someone takes my mental/psychological and spiritual inventory when they know nothing of my psychological and spiritual travels and work.
No doubt that our minds and emotions can have a powerful affect on our bodies, but I would wager that if mastering minding our minds and emotions (and/or positive thinking) were all that it took to get well, then quite a few people on the MP would never had had to do the MP.
What I've learned from this emotional/mental/spiritual/physical journey is that there are no magic bullets and the only way is through (no over, under, around).
Thanks again for the new phraseology, Claire
P.S. I've given up trying to convince people for now regarding the MP. Sometimes I mention it and say "Check it out for yourself and if it rings true, then consider it; if not, then don't bother." I figure when I am well a few people might be convinced by my improvement, but I'm not counting on it (mostly because people do not want to give up their lifestyles...something as little as giving up their 4 to 6 cups of coffee a day seems like to much of a sacrifice). At least when I am well, expending energy trying to educate people about the MP won't take away from my healing, which has to be my focus. One of the things I have learned from being sick is sometimes you have to put yourself first...people are master's of their own ships.
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...people are master's of their own ships.
Good point Claire and when they get tired of being ill they will steer their ship
in our direction!
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ken.
"At this time I'm resigned to the fact that no one is going to listen to what I have to say until I'm completely unequivocally cured and even then will they say it was just a coincidence -- spontaneous remission? "
I know exactly how is this....I suggested the MP fo a guy with MS, before there were benicar in mexico, I was eager to start and I couldnt, they were american citizens and hd the possibility of a us doctor and to buy the benicar, you know what they said? That the illness was his process about evolution and that he was prepared to die!!!! At 33!!!
Ok that was about nearly 4 years ago, he died in a slowly, very suffered, such incapability, and his wife had to see on him practically in everything, you know feeding him and diapers like a baby, he couldn´t talk....YUKK
He would be well now and alive if stupidity hasn´t so well distributed and common sense were more common.
so we are blessed, and we will be more...
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Claire:
amen!! wise words you said
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May I offer a glimmer of hope on this topic. I am not that sick on the scale of things but when I was finally diagnosed with CFS and I asked the doctor what the treatment options were, well you know the answer- zippo. I was deeply dissatisfied with the prognosis of a steady decline or at best a remission. I wanted a cure dammit!! Im young (30), I have a family and a full life to live so I'll be buggered if Im going to let something like this tell me what to do!
An hour after leaving the doctor I had found bacteriality.com and the rest is history. And I am SO THANKFUL that I dont have to get any sicker. I tear up at the though of my overwhelming gratitude to Dr Marshall and his team (Im sorry, I was part of a 'team' constantly acknowledged as such, but I would name you all if I knew you!!).
So, Like all of you I spread the MP word. And get knocked back all the time. But from time to time you see it 'click' with someone and then ....its worth all the knock-backs.
We are the leaders in taking charge of our own health, with the superior and tireless efforts of Dr Marshall and everyone involved in spreading the good news of the most incredible discovery!
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Hi Everyone,
At church we have just finished health nuggets; which was done by an arrogant Dr. who ignored the MP CD, Physicians Phase 1 booklet, and my story. The health nuggets were about getting plenty of exercise, Vitamin D, lots of sun, and no bad habits; all of which I did, as I became more chronically ill. His talks were sequenced with our 2 weeks of bible studies; which were video taped. I wanted so bad to say something every night about chronic diseases that I found it challenging to keep quiet! A visiting Pasture who had cancer said he would check out the MP site. I did find something to show our pastor from the profit Ellen E. White who is highly respected in the 7th Day Adventist Churches: "God has permitted a flood of Light to be poured upon the world in both science and art, but when proffessidly scientific men treat these subjects from a merely human point of view, they will assuredly come to wrong conclusions. The greatest minds, if not guided by the word of God in their research, become bewildered in their attempts to trace the relations of science revolution. True Science and Bible Religion are in perfect harmony with God."
The Medical Establishment is not in harmony with God. It doesn't understand how the body works. Standard treatments cause patient deaths, and deviations from standard treatments cause Doctors to loose their Licensce/Job. Corp/Drug Co. get top$, control the FDA, and there is no Socialized Med in U.S. My pastor agreed with this, but in front of the church he states that our hospitals are doing a good job. When church was over I made an announcement for everyone to visit the MP site as I was leaving. The Pastor told me not to make an annoucement without his permission. I said "You just told us of a story of a little boy who has been sick and possibly has what could be cancer and he is made at God! I don't need to come to you're church if chronic illness just needs prayer. Three other people wanted to know more, so I talked to them about MP. One person wanted me to tell his family down in stairs at the church dinner. The pastor walked over and tried to divert one of the family members, but I kept talking through his disruption. All I can do is help chronically ill people as I run into them. My whole family is full of TH1 illnesses and I have sent MP to all of them. I have told all my friends and people I run into everywhere about MP. There are about a dozen that will check it out. I know I'm not from the twighlight zone!
Just too happy to be alive,
Debz
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Dx-Sarc(collagen disorder)/Herpes Whitlow 03, Neuro,sinus,Hyster,ear. Mr Muscle-hayfever,acute/chron bronchitis, pneumonia,hilar adenopathy,liver tumor&lesion,lg spleen,strep throat,thrush, psyco Mp:4/8/08 mino & Noirs,4/28/08 benicar
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 13:57 |
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HI ALL
This is Fred in WV. Thanks, Deb for that great story. You sound like me telling every one I run into about the Marshall Protocol. It is hard to keep your mouth shut when you know that the people need to know all about the MP. I have to bit my tongue some times. But in most cases I do not hold back. I just keep talking over the other and at my Autoimmune Support Group meetings even interup some times just full of info to tell about something that some one is talking about and I know is not correct. Keep up the great posting.
Remember, we are all in thsi together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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Freddie: dx-sarc 2/82 lymph; skin, eyes, joints, esophagus, intestines, spleen, heart,lungs-meds digitek, L-thyroxine, nexium, furosemide, nattokinase36mg,eat cinnamon w/meals,25D-7; 125-D43
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 20:30 |
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Deb It takes great courage to stand up for what we believe in. If not for people like you, like other pioneers on the MP and Dr. Marshall and his staff who have all stood up for the valuable work of the MP....there would surely be many of us living a completely different life, if life at all! Rest assured, I DO NOT say this lightly!
My daughter and I just returned from a trip to Louisville to see my dear sweet grandma who had a stroke. She was a lucky gal, lived 87 very healthy years, active until this  stroke. She was walking two miles a day, just a week ago! My grandma cared for my grandpa, mostly unassisted, for 10 years with Alzheimers at age 52! She has been high on a pedestal in my eyes for many years for this selfless act of love...so I was determined to be there with her.
I drove the six hours there, so my daughter could rest from her night job as a nurse...put in full days at the rehab with my sweet grandma...went to dinner each night with extended family and drove part way back early this morning. 18 months ago I was so weak, I could not lift my head off a pillow or barely brush my teeth. I'm very adamant about where I've been...and how far I've come and exactly how I got here, because of the MP...and never, ever want to be back on that pillow!
Being completely covered during my trip and daylight hours, my dear grandma calls me a *movie star* when she sees me arrive in my hat, scarf, gloves, cream, Benicar, etc...and quite honestly I felt like a *shining MP star* For many, many years during and after road trips, I've always been completely fatigued and neurologically impaired. On the way home today, not even a nap was needed and only started to tire as we got closer to home. For the first time in my life, I had traveled completely protected from direct sunlight during a lengthy trip and received such a surprise, no unusual fatigue, no neuro stuff...I smile just thinking about the MP--how could I possibly not want to share this with others???
Good for you, for having the courage to stand up for your beliefs to help others...we're living proof and there's no denying progress!!!!
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Sarcoidosis/lungs, lymph,liver, GI, neuro, D12542, Ph17/07, MPh2 9/07, B12, cover up, NoIRs,return to work after 2 years off- 4/07D2511
5/09 D25<4
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eClaire
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 00:58 |
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Deb,
I read your post with such gladness in my heart. You give hope to many of us. I'm also glad that you got to spend time with your grandma--she sounds great!--and also spend time with your daughter. This is an important time in your grandma's life.
Love to you, Claire
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42mo on MP; CFS FMS MCS COPD hypermob IBS/GERD osteopor; 125D48 25D<4;
NoIRs during most daylight outings; Ph1.Dec06 * ModPh2.Jun07 * AbxBrk.Mar-May08
* Ph2.Oct-Nov08 * Ph1.Jan09 * Olm.alone.Jun10
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JanEE
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 02:14 |
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Great story Debz. Nothing wrong with your vocal cords. Good for you.
Deb, I'm so sorry to learn about your precious grandma. I know how much she means to you. I'm glad that you were able to go spend time with her and you even made it back without any repercussions. Keep on twinkling little *star*.
Jan
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CFS, FM hypothyroid 125D69 Ph1 5/05 Armoir thyroid promethazine mag B12 for low blood levels NoIRs limited outings covered Ph2 9/06 Ph3 8/07 25D11
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 12:35 |
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Thanks for the lovely notes! My grandma is a treasure  ...This trip to Louisville was the first lengthy trip I have taken since my sarc flare almost two years ago. To be completely honest with you all, I was terrified to go. Yet, it turned out to be a true *test of the waters* for me, to see just how far I've come.
Just a week ago, I was struggling with strong IP that had lasted about 12 days...I call it, *back to the bottom of that mountain we climb-- to get to the top-- to see the beautiful view*! So many surprises out there for us all...Deb
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Sarcoidosis/lungs, lymph,liver, GI, neuro, D12542, Ph17/07, MPh2 9/07, B12, cover up, NoIRs,return to work after 2 years off- 4/07D2511
5/09 D25<4
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