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 Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 20:24

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Hi Julia!

Check out this article by Dr. Mercola: http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards.htm  Dr. Mercola is usually pretty informed ( even though he is a very strong proponent of Vit. D:(). I would be very interested in knowing what Dr. Marshall's perspective is on microwaving foods.

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I would say one thing to Dr Mercola:

Step away from the internet! Keep your hands in plain sight! DO IT NOW!!!!

Microwaves banned in Russia, my Aunt Fanny.  http://www.elson.ru/catalog108_1.html

I'd go on, but he's not worth wasting my breath on. What a waste of skin.



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 Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 22:32

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Hey Julia,

Mostly I steam or use olive/coconut oil and a touch of water and "fry" (in the loosest sense of the word).  I agree that baking is nice, but uses a lot of energy.  I have a small toaster/convection oven that I use for baked sweet potatoes, etc.  To reheat, I just throw in a pan with a little water and cover. 

I wish I had a link to the study I heard about in just the last year.  There seems to be a debate on the Internet with folk making claims from one extreme to the other.  Wish I could see the scientific studies and WHO SPONSORED THEM, as that might tell us more.

As for me, I didn't like what the microwave did to food (quality wise), I don't need a big box to heat my water in or reheat some foods, and I could use the space in my kitchen for something else.  I didn't stop using a microwave because of what I had heard; I'd already given up on it as a big waste of space (I actually have a microwave elsewhere in the house for heating gel pacs...it's never been used for food). 

If you like using microwave and are not concerned, don't worry about it.  If you are concerned, you could try to research it for yourself.  I just mentioned it because of the study I heard about, which I thought was on NPR and therefore was probably recent.

Claire

P.S.  Hey, I still use my cell phone and we keep hearing lots of scares about that.  Now, if they ever conclusively tie it to what is happening to bees, I'll give it up.



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Thank you Barbski!  I'll send my shopping sherpa out to find vegemite ;) to replace marmite. And I'll scrape it thin, and also try not to think about the food miles from Oz - a girl's got to have some treats on the MP - sorry you don't like it Claire! 

The craisins sound nice, in fact yummy,  but I know myself well enough to know I couldn't have just a few.  Just as I couldn't ration Lindt dark chocolate to one square a day - total abstinence is the only answer!

We're lucky here in Britain that our dairy produce doesn't have added vit D (apart from powdered milk, where it is invariably listed on the tins).  Like Julia, another hunger stopper is cheese (or nut butters or tahini), but on an oatcake - a 100% oat crunchy textured thin biscuit/cracker which itself has a nutty toasted taste and is slow release carb.  Is smaller and has less fat and no sugar compared to a digestive biscuit which I think may be like an American graham cracker - is that right?

I keep a jar of olives a have just a few when nothing else will do.

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Vegtables to maintain nutrients would at best be eaten raw, or lightly steamd. Not boiled and definitely not Nuked in a microwave. If you microwave food you might as well eat cardboard, it removes so much value from food. Happy cooking.

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Knochen,

Microwave ovens were banned in Russia in 1976 and then the ban was lifted after Perestroika.

Didn't mean to promote a person, just to present some information for consideration.

 



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Ahhhh Claire I just read your Vegemite post... you're right about that.... My daughter studied for six months in Goolagong (Australia) and brought us some home.  She said, "Mom, this is the only thing you have to do for me, try this."!!!  I could not do it...I just couldn't!:shock::shock: 

Now I wonder is there anything here in the U.S. that the Aussies would find absolutely tummy turning? 



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Claire, I love dried fruits and crasins are great.
However, reading the labels, the commercial dried fruits are almost all coated in sunflower oil. And I believe sunflower oil has "D" in it. So, I really don't want to eat too many for that reason (beside the carbs).

We just had our grapes we've grown in our back yard ripen all at once (I'm really in no shape to stand for long) but as much as I am physically able I've been hand striping, sorting, washing the grapes. Then I lightly coat them in coconut oil before drying them in my warming drawer (at around 115 degrees F) for a day or two. My friends who have tried them say they are 'gourmet' ... I eat 10-20 of these homemade raisins whenever I need a little pick-me up.

As for question of how do I eat, there are some basic rules I start with:
1. Because of my love for true food, that is nutritious, full of flavor and farmed in a way that doesn't trash our home sweet home planet earth... I shop for organic as much a possible. Some foods are just to expensive organic, so I just don't buy them.

There is a top ten lists of 'worst offenders' concerning pesticides that I try to really avoid that includes strawberries, bell peppers and tomatoes. Frozen organic is an easy way to make sure that what we buy doesn't spoil. We buy small amounts of frozen organic strawberries and blueberries and they have the most wonderful flavor.

2. I also shop for fair trade because slavery has been making a come back around the world lately (especially for chocolate and other tropical crops) and it makes me uncomfortable to think I'm getting a lower price due to the oppression of other peoples.
On the topic of breads:
I learned to look for sprouted grains somewhere along the line and the only store-bought sprouted bread that I have access to is made by the Alvarado Street Bakery. (They also do online ordering.)

I actually have stopped eating bread daily the way I used to, but when I do eat bread, their sourdough line is my favorite (no soybeans). All their breads freeze nicely and toasting the bread brings out the great flavor nicely.

Remembering back to a post I made last year, I found a long review of my diet at that time... some things have changed... but it's an interesting snapshot [edits in italics]:
Once you start reading this, you will see that in my passionate pursuit of recovering our family’s health, I have taken the advice of the Weston Price foundation and the recipes from the Nourishing Traditions cookbook very much to heart.

But please don’t think I am totally a health-food purist! I have lived by the 80/20 rule that says, "80% of the time put healthy eating first, 20% of the time put enjoyment first." Over time I have found ways to make nutrition and enjoyment come together in some wonderful ways. After eating this way for a couple of years, I don’t actually like the taste of factory-farmed meats and industrial cooking oils used in restaurant foods. Real food tastes ‘way so much’ better!
  • Meats. I probably eat 1-2 ounces a day of protein from free-range, organic meats including chicken, grass-fed bison and beef. Less common meats would be turkey or lamb. I enjoy using the leftover bones, etc. to make homemade stocks for cooking sauces, soups, and as the liquid for making rice.
  • Dairy. At least every other day I eat either a single slice of organic provolone cheese or I make a grilled cheese sandwich using raw, organic, grass-fed cow’s milk cheese (I order this cheese in quantity from the farm and have many months worth in the freezer). I use a little over a cup of raw organic milk from grass-fed cows almost daily, either in sprouted grain cereal or (if the milk has soured a little) as an addition to sauces.
  • Sauces/Soups. Almost every week I will take a few cups of stock from the freezer and prepare enough sauce to last all week. It will usually have the basic all-purpose spices, a bit of cayenne powder, a cup of wine, some corn starch to thicken it, some chicken fat or olive oil for flavor, and a jar of spaghetti sauce for body (all organic, of course). In the winter I also make chicken or split pea soups.
  • Vegetables. The freezer has a number of large packages of frozen organic items including broccoli, petite green peas, snap peas, green beans, and mixed vegetables. I add one or two cups of these to my main meal each day. On the days when I am feeling more up to it, there is usually green leaf lettuce, red bell peppers, carrots, onions, and zucchini available for making salads. As for starches, I very rarely eat potatoes, but I do love baking acorn or butternut squash and making a butter and honey filled mash with it about twice a month.
  • Nuts. Not all nuts agree with me, but I enjoy nibbling on a handful of almonds, pistachio nuts, or macadamia nuts, pretty much every day. Almonds are my main snack nuts. I buy raw organic almonds and soak them overnight in sea salt to sprout them. The next day I hand peel them (because the brown peel is hard for me to digest) and then place them in the warming drawer for a full day until they are nice and crisp. Commercially processed almonds almost always make me sick, but this home-processed version sits very well with me.
  • Bread/Grains. Our usual loaf bread or bagels are sprouted types from Alvarado Street Bakery. Almost every day I either have toast from these or a grilled cheese sandwich using this bread. Every other day I have a one cup bowl of cereal (Ezekiel sprouted cinnamon & raisin) with milk.
  • Pasta. About once a week I prepare a full package of organic whole wheat pasta (al dente) that I then toss in cold-pressed virgin olive oil and store in the refrigerator for use in salads and sauces during the week (usually a cup per serving). A least once a month, I make up a couple boxes of Annie’s organic white cheddar cheese and macaroni to use as a base for a vegetable & meat dish for dinner.
  • Other Grains. Less than once a week I will make a bowl of organic oatmeal with SteviaPlus and coconut oil added in for flavor. Occasionally we make a crock-pot stew with barley or rice in it. As a special treat I will make Thai rice with coconut cream and curry in it.
  • Fruit. I don’t eat much fruit these days. Maybe one organic fuji apple with cheese slices per week. Maybe two or three organic bananas per week. A couple of handfuls of organic (no added oils) raisins or grapes some days. And perhaps twice a month a bowl of melon of some kind. We do enjoy black olives in our salads from time to time. Very rarely I will use a fruit spread on my toast. At least twice a month I will make a frozen fruit smoothie with organic frozen blueberries, strawberries, bananas and coconut cream concentrate.
  • Oils. Cold-pressed virgin olive oil for homemade salad dressings and with pasta. Virgin red palm oil for popcorn and browning onions. Coconut oil for low temperature cooking. Butter for grilled cheese sandwiches. Sesame oil for pesto.
  • Beverages. Once or twice a day I fill a two-quart pitcher with filtered water, [and a couple of SteviaClear drops for sweetner] ...  Once or twice, during the hottest days of summer, I made an iced sparkling water drink flavored with kombucha and cranberry concentrate.
  • Snacks. About once a week I make organic popcorn in a mixture of red palm and coconut oils topped with sea salt. This is my favorite snack, but it seems to be hard on my jaw joints and may be a slight allergen for me. A couple of times per week I eat a couple of cups of garden of eatin' white corn chips with a homemade dip (see condiments). [I don't have these chips as much now because they also have sunflower oil!]
  • Condiments. Homemade dip made from plain Stonyfield Farm organic yogurt, Emerald Valley raw green & red salsas, and Rejuvenative Foods cultured sauerkraut. Also, I will turn this dip into a salad dressing by adding some olive oil before tossing into my salads. I also enjoy adding organic mustard and cultured sauerkraut to hot dishes just before serving.
  • Sweets. For many years, I have learned by hard experience that commercially made sweets not only drop the bottom out of my energy levels, but I often would get very sick after indulging in too many pieces of cake, etc. too. Because of these bad reactions, I rarely take even one cookie from the plate at social events. Now, homemade coconut macaroons made with organic vanilla and maple syrup, well, they are a different story altogether! And, there are some ginger cookies made by Pamela’s that really bring me joy. In fact, I usually eat one or two of those ginger cookies after my one large meal each day. [I stopped this after I found they use egg yolks.] The only other sweet that I indulge in is small amounts of organic low sugar dark chocolate. Sometime towards the end of the day I will usually pull out my current dagoba new moon bar and break off 1/5 oz to savor (<2g sugar). A 2 oz bar lasts me over a week, unless I decide to eat more to ‘medicate’ with more after a stressful event.
  • Alcohol. Any drinking is limited to ½ a glass of wine or beer about once a month at a meal because the same kinds of reactions I have to sweets also happen if I drink more than the smallest amounts of beer or wine.
  • Meals out. I almost forgot to confess those meals eaten when not at home! Probably 4-6 times per month [not anymore--maybe once a month now] you will find me all bundled up with dark glasses at a table in one of the local restaurants--Japanese grill, Baja Fresh, Soup Plantation, or Wood-fired Pizza--eating some !non-organic! dishes (but not seafood).
[Now I find at this stage in the protocol that I can't physically handle standing for as long doing food prep, so I do less in the kitchen. But some things, like home made chicken stock, are too important to me, so I wait for a 'good' day and spend it preparing stock and other foods to use for the days when I'm not able to cook as much.]
On the topic of raw vs. cooked vegetables.
I have found that when my body is in a lower energy state, cooking vegetables provides nourishment without overloading the digestive system. Some vegetables may actually be a bad idea raw, large amounts of spinach, for example. I believe adding butter increases the absorption of minerals in the vegetables. And if you are want more 'live' foods, raw fermented foods are very nutritious (pickles, saurkraut, kimchee).
Finally, something more on the topic of microwaves.
It took some digging on the internet to find this a while back, but apparently the study done in Europe showing the adverse changes in the blood chemistry after eating microwaved food was never published because the microwave manufacturers convinced a court to rule that publishing the study would be harmful to the industry, so the court issued a gag order. Or so the story goes.

Whether the story is true or not, I don't use them. I have fun cooking the old fashioned way and the flavors are better.
Hope all of this isn't too much 'food for thought' all at once. :P



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Craisens,

Just happened to sprinkle a "few" on a lettuce salad the other day.  I also had a few capers on the salad, ( I think few is equivelant to less than some)!   Betweem the  accented flavors of the craisens and the capers I dismissed the use of any salad dressing.  A good trade off perhaps.   Craisens are small but pack a big punch so for me I do not go for hand fulls on this particular item - just a few will do ya.  They are good paired with nuts as well.  Magsmom



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Joyful, those homemade macaroons sound really yummy. Could you share the recipe with us?



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Adrianne,

I'm sorry I don't have the recipe real close at hand, but I understand the Jennie's Coconut Macaroons are tasty while you wait for me to dig out my cookbook. :)



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Hi all,

I was interested in the negative response to microwave ovens. We investegated them many years ago so I thought I would see if any on the science has changed since. This is what I came up with.
http://www.foodscience.csiro.au/micwave1.htm
http://www.health-science.com/microwave_hazards.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13318043.400-science-why-microwave-cooking-fails-the-taste-test-.html
I have lived in Australia for a long time now Deb and I don't like vegemite, but my daughter loves it.  I do like nut butter which we make with all the good nuts.
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Hi to all ....these posts make me soooooooooo hungry and soooooooooooo happy!  Years ago we tried to do this ....and it failed.  It is great to see so many of us sharing info ....and we ALL have to eat .....:P  I have to watch all dried fruits because of sulfites ....wine too.  I am sure our th1 has something to do with the lack of tolerance here ....but then again sulfites are not healthy ....:(  Fresh fruit is the way to go .....or an inexpensive dehydrater.  My sis has one and is always coming up with homemade trail mixes etc.  I do think T.M. has warned us against too much apple.  Like coffee it contains an acid we need to be wary of.  Maybe someone will post his link to this info!  Whole grains without added folates used to be permitted.  There maybe a % of this we need to be aware of too!!  Love this!!!  Lee
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I've been told by TM or one of the moderators that one apple a day is okay if no negative symptoms are noticed (whatever is in it modulates the immune system).  I am, so far, one of the people who can use apple to calm down my IP.  I'm not an apple fan, but I grave apple when my IP starts edging toward intolerable.  Claire



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Hi All,
These quotes could have gone on the quote thread also, but I put them here because they are about eating and food.
 
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four.  Unless there are three other people."   ---Orson Welles
 
"As for butter versus margarine, I trust cows more than chemists."   ---Joan Dye Gussowg
 
I also found this recipe recently in the back of my recipe file and thought I'd try it again.  I only made it once years ago.  I think it's really good.  I plan to keep a supply in my freezer from now on.
 

Meatless "Big Mac"        

Makes 6 patties.  Protein: 7.2 grams per patty.  Calories: 226 per patty.  These can be frozen between layers of waxed paper.

 

(If desired, two eggs can be substituted for the garbanzo beans)  of course we can't eat eggs, so I used the beans and the taste is fabulous

 

1/2 C. soaked garbanzo beans (about 1/4 C. dry soaked in water for 8 hours)

1/2 C. water

1 C. rolled oats, uncooked

1 C. finely chopped walnuts

1 medium onion, minced

4 T. rich milk

1/2- 1 tsp. salt (opt.)

1 tsp. sage

1 T. soy sauce

 

1.  Whiz the garbanzo beans and the 1/2 C. water in a blender.  Pour into bowl.

2.  Mix in remaining ingredients.

3.  Divide into 6ths and form into patties.

4.  Brown slowly in butter over medium (or low) heat.

5.  Serve in buns with all the trimmings, or in casserole with gravy or sauce (baked at 350 degrees for 1/2 hour), or plain.

 

Enjoy,
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JanEE... great recipe!

... suggest soaking rolled oats with beans for easier digestion.
... and watch the soy sauce. (I think a little bit is Ok.)

See: Soy products are immunosuppressive and should be limited and Food Tips.



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I used to eat fruit smoothies in the AM. 2 frozen bananas and some: cherries, or black grapes, or peaches, or nectarines, or strawberries, or pineapple. It made the most wonderful breakfast. Until my potassium got too high. So no more bananas, which ruined the smoothies.

I used to eat toast and sandwiches and croissants and pasta, but thinking I must be low carb compliant I gave all that up. My DR told me to stop eating ice cream. I had to stop drinking sports drinks. I'm vegitarian and had to start eating meat all the time. I hate it. I love salads, but there's not enough calories to bother eating them. and all that chewing exhausts my jaw. -that also only allows me a handfull of nuts a day. Was told not to drink fruit juice all day. No coffee, no apples, no fish, no bacon! No 'taters. no food left but chocolate.

I've lost 8 pounds since starting the MP 8 months ago which puts me at a grand total of 75 pounds. After my last weigh in I said screw it! I'm going back to eating toast! So now I'll be living off almond butter & jelly sandwiches and chocolate until somebody tells me I have to give all that up too. Then I think I'll just die from lack of food. I can't cook or prepare foods for more than 5 mins, so it has to be convience foods like sandwiches and snacks. Most fast food is carb heavy & sugar is loaded into most snack things... so I really feel backed into a corner. I'm surprised reading how many of you have quite a bit of carbs in your diet, so I'm not going to worry about as much anymore.

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Joyful, thanks for your suggestion about soaking the oats.  When the patties are cooked they get quite crisp, which I really like, so I was wondering---do you think they would still crisp up after soaking the oats?  The mixture is quite wet when done so soaking them could help make them hold together a bit better,  I guess the best way would be to try it that way once to see what the difference is.
 
I had thought about mentioning the soy sauce, but the amount  in each pattie would be only 1 tsp, so I wouldn't think that would be a problem unless one was eating them three times a day.  I thought I would just leave it up to the cook.  I guess it's a good thing to mention though for people who might not know about the immunosuppressive factor.
 
Your post on the 19th was a wealth of information.  Have you always eaten this way?  If not, how long did it take for you to make the transition to such healthy eating.  I know it doesn't happen overnight usually.  If healthy eating got rid of bacteria you wouldn't even have to do the MP.
 
Do you think you could elaborate a little more about the sauces you make?  I think some really good healthy sauces might make some food more interesting.  I do make a lot of homemade soup these days.  I didn't used to know much about soup-making, but I finally have a bunch of recipes that I make and keep in the freezer in individual containers.  And speaking of soup, do you know of any store-bought vegetable broth that tastes good?  Or do you have a recipe for a home-made one?  I used one from the store once and it ruined my recipe it tasted so awful.
 
I have also thought of getting rid of my microwave (which I inherited, and it's a big one that takes up lots of space), but am so spoiled now I'm not sure if I could do it.  I didn't have one for years, but now that I do----.  I use it to heat things mostly, including my bean bag for aching back, along with softening frozen butter, and partially thawing meat.  I try to follow all the rules about not heating things in plastic wrap, etc, but I suppose it's still a bad thing.  Maybe I should get a small one like Claire mentioned for heating her gel pack, and then get a small toaster oven for the other stuff.  When one lives alone it seems like such a huge waste of energy to heat the large oven.  If I had a toaster oven though I could also get rid of my toaster.  Hmmmm.  It's sounding better and better.
 
Rebeckah, I know how hard it can be to cook for yourself when you are so weak and tired.  Most of us have been there too.  You didn't mention vegetables.  Do you eat them?  Most fresh vegies cook quickly in a steamer.  And you can cram a lot of vegies into soup or stew.  How about cooking up a boned and skinned chicken breast and slicing it up on/in your salad?  A chicken breast only takes a few minutes to cook and it would be done by the time your salad was made.  Claire suggested eating Canadian bacon, which is nice and lean.  I still eat carbs.  I try not to overdo it because of my weight (my problem is the opposite of yours), but I also watch which ones I buy.  No egg noodles or pasta, but there are plenty out there that are made with organic products that aren't loaded with "MP no-no's".  I even have a small potato once in a while.  One other thing I always do is make full recipes of things and then separate the leftovers into serving sizes and freeze them.  In any case I sure don't think it will hurt you to eat more---it sounds like you need more nourishment.  I'm sure that some more people will try and give you some suggestions. Take care.
 
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Wow, awesome thread.  Just gets better and better.

First things first.  Joyful, would you be interested in a position as my personal chef?  Everything you do sounds so nutritious, deliscious, and conscientious.

I haven't heard anyone mention hummus.  I get one that uses olive oil and no other ingredients that are no-no's.  Other than carbs, anything wrong with it?  I just didn't have the energy to do anything for dinner tonight other than raw cauliflower and roasted red pepper hummus.

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JanEE, You could try substituting balsamic vinegar for the soy and see how that tastes.  Also, I discovered that a pinch of Chinese five spice can make turkey burgers taste more like hamburgers.  Maybe it'll work the the above as well. 

I once felt 15 years younger/better after having a natural IP and doing a diet really similar to the MP (which was also totally organic).  The trouble is I took some steroids after that and lost the ground I gained and then some; also, I was still sick and I have a feeling that once you reach a certain tipping point (and so even without the steroids I may have continued down that road and just became disabled later), your immune system probably needs the sort of help you get from the MP.  Diet alone might work for someone who has not reached the tipping point (IMHO).

Rebeckah, the good thing about canadian bacon is that it is already pre-cooked (yeah, it has some unhealthy things in it--nitrates--, but I figure the benefits of the protein right now and my need to have quick food outweighs the negatives, as I get healthier and have the energy to prepare better choices, I'll have it less).

Also, eating low glycemic carbs would be a good way to keep carbs in the diet if a higher amount of carbs are needed.  For example, sweet potatoes instead of regular white potatoes, and most legumes (like the hummus :)dette suggested...I used to like to eat kidney beans from the can mixed with real blue cheese).  Also, nuts are high in calories and can make up for some of the lost carbs or at least help put weight on.

People have done the MP without paying attention to carbs and it sounds like you just need to eat the healthiest diet you can while doing the MP.

Claire

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