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dymi
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Posted: Mon Mar 9th, 2009 16:15 |
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I have a question for one czech patient who wants to start MP.
It is a girl (in the past) now guy. Now 30 years of age, taking Undestor (testosterone) approx 10 years 2 tabs in the morning one in the evening.
Having serious health problems, osteoporosis.
In the throat regural findings of streps, staph, klebsiella, haemo species, in the past high titters of chlamydia pneumonie antibodies, also borrelia, EBV... probably MRSA, works in the hospital as nurse.
Symptoms chronic fatigue, in the immunologic tests, lymphocytosis, neutropenia, phagocytosis.
Q: is the regular testosterone any problem while on MP?
Thx,
Petr
Last edited on Mon Mar 9th, 2009 16:17 by dymi
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Mon Mar 9th, 2009 17:53 |
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The Androgen Receptor is associated with 17 families of antimicrobials (Brahmachary, et al) and it would be foolish to think that exogenous testosterone would not profoundly affect the innate immune system.
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dymi
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 09:55 |
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Thanks for the refernce Dr. Marshall,
I see I see, unfortunaltelly I don't have full access to Pubmed to read full articles.
I understand that any exogenous hormones to the body is something unnatural.
But how can manage this thing a person who has decided to change his sex... Btw. Lance Armstrong does not look too unhealthy so far with testosterone doses every day.
I was basically asking for an brief estimation of some risks, (if they are low, medium or high) that e.g. Olmesartan would react differently in somebody like this. There are other protocols (less sophisticated than MP) using only ABX or antituberculics, that this guy is trying to evaluate before staring with one. I am trying to help to make his decission easier.
Best,
Petr
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 10:14 |
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Is Lance Armstrong using the same dosing level of testosterone?
Look, all I can do is understand the science, and try to communicate it when asked. We just have no data on how high-dose testosterone affects recovery. I don't want to discourage anybody, but I cannot (responsibly) encourage them, either.
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dymi
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 10:22 |
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| Ok I understand your point. All these combined protocols are still in very early stages. Thanks for your opinion anyway.
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Lottis
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 13:44 |
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dymi wrote: I was basically asking for an brief estimation of some risks, (if they are low, medium or high) that e.g. Olmesartan would react differently in somebody like this.
I am now going to just speculate a little...
If he had to through the transition from a dominant estrogen physiological system, to a testosterone system, at twenty years of age, I would imaging that it would be like a war going on in his body.
He had to decrease the estrogen production in a female body, and enhance the testosterone, while the body still was dominantly female. It must have been very hard for him. 
I would guess it affected his transcription of the VDR, at that time of transition, since sciences indicates it is part of the estrogen system that does that.
No other protocol is conscientiously targeting the dysfunction of the VDR, and if this will make things better or worse for him, he would have to pioneer that path...
His situation is so special and all of us can only guess at this point, what would be best for him. Give him my love and support. 
/Lottis
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dymi
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 16:00 |
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Thanks for your message Lottis. You are very kind person. I feel all you are saying might be contributing factors, but there are many people like this without serous health problems.
In fact his mother is suffering also from some serious chronc problems with immunity and infection, so they think it has the same roots.
Best,
Petr
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