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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 18:39

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Where the Heart Is by Billie Letts is the first book group selection. The following tentative reading schedule may be adapted if the readers find the going too slow. (Reading assignments will be between approx 20 and 35 pages, and at the end of the second week, I'll ask whether the pace is too slow or just right.)

Moderator will post questions by Saturday, late evening, allowing people plenty of time for discussion throughout the week. You might want to get your reading done for the week by then (however, if you fall behind, you can always get your two cents in before the next deadline).

If you have never been in a book group, don't worry. :shock:

In my experience with women's book groups (as far as I know women out number men by far in book group attendance...at least when it comes to fiction), book groups are not necessarily a place where people show their literary prowess, although that will be tolerated!

Typically, they are designed for personal edification, for having some fun, and for developing community among the participants. On ocassion a serious discussion breaks out. Remember to equip yourself with hot tea or coffee and a favorite snack when answering questions to get the full book group experience.

Tentative Reading Schedule (through August)

Please read chapters by the end of date posted.

8/2 - Chapters 1 & 2
8/9 - Chapters 3 - 5
8/16 - Chapters 7 - 9
8/23 - Chapters 10 - 12
8/30 - Chapters 12 - 15

You might want to save this link to your favorites so you can log on with ease.

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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 19:41

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Another MPer just sent me this link where she says you can get books for CHEAP!

If you order from this vendor, please report back your experience with delivery. Tx.

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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 21:53

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I just put my order in with amazon and found that they also sell this book in audio. So for those who can't read in the dark or aren't able to process the written word, you can still participate if you want.

Also, libraries often have shut-in services so if you phone your local library, they can mail you a copy if you can't go there for yourself. This isn't a new book, they've already made it into a movie, so there won't be anyone competing with you for the book.

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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:28

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And you do know Billie Letts is an Oklahoman... and that her son, Tracy, is a celebrated playwright and actor...?

Will join book club if able. Great book. (Better than the movie).

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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 15:38

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Reminding all who have decided to join the book group that the first two chapters should be read by late Saturday evening (August 2) if you want a jump on the week's discussion!

Questions posted Saturday nite!

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 00:40

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Where the Heart Is by Billie Letts

Ground rules for the Book Club's question/answer online discussion:

1. All questions will be posted in ALL CAPS & Bolded DARK RED.

2. Anyone can post one or more questions after the books' moderator posts questions on Saturday evening; all you have to do to post a question is follow guideline # 1 above and # 6 below.

3. To participate, you can answer one or more of the posted questions or go off on your own tangent entirely as long as it is related to the book.

4. While it is more than okay to disagree with others in your responses (e.g., "I saw it differently"), please refrain from directly criticizing someone else's comments. (That is, when writing your comments, please remember that many of us are suffering from neuro IP.)

5. Remember that many of us are experiencing neuro IP so don't go looking for offense in what others may write because if you are suffering from neuro IP yourself, you may just find offense even where none was meant.

6. Mostly, let's just agree to have some fun while showing respect for others.

Questions for Chapters 1 & 2:

Disclaimer: I have never tried to moderate an online book club before and am feeling somewhat at a loss of how to ask questions as we go along. For this reason, I hope that others will post their own questions. In this way, we can learn as we go along with this first book. Thanking each of you in advance for your help in making this a successful first try.

1. Did you find Novalee's superstition about seven's and the way she reacted when her bill came to $7.77 to be realistic? (If so, why? If not, why not?)

2. What themes if any do you see developing in the first two chapters?

3. Putting yourself in Novalee's shoes, what do you think you would have done if you had been left by Willy Jack?

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 08:33

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Sorry twice I've lost my completed posts. I will try again tomorrow,

Lynn.

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 08:44

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Hi Claire and everyone,

Some good questions there. I can see how much work you have put into this. Thank you.

QUESTION. DOES ANYONE KNOW IN WHICH DECADE THIS STORY IS SET IN ? IT MAY BE RELEVANT TO QUESTION #!

#1   Depending on her upbringing a seventeen year old may view what has happenened in her life superstitiously If she had superstitious parents or family for example. Also people may have been more superstitious in the area she had lived in.
Perhaps in this day and age a young girl would view life differently. Novalee may also have had some psychic powers because when she heard how much change she had, she also knew she had been abandoned.

#2 Possible Themes. Goodness - Novalee sees goodness in people and responds in the same way, therefore she comes in contact with good people. The opposite seems true for Willy Jack.
Homecoming – perhaps she really is Ruth Ann. Or perhaps Novalee needs a place to be her home.
Acceptance.- being accepted for who we are.

#3   Panic! I would probably be in floods of tears and told Sister Thelma my problem. ( If I could actually utter any word coherently.)

#4   My first impression was as Novalee described Moses at the beginning of her meeting. As his colouring was so reflective she could almost see her image.
I don’t really think she meant that. I think she recognise him as a kindred spirit, someone who saw good in people and liked to portray that in his photography.

QUESTIONS
WHY IS OKLAHOMA ‘THE SOONER STATE’.?

I FELT THE WRITER MADE ME THINK ABOUT WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IN LIFE. MUCH LIKE THIS ILLNESS HAS. DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME ?

I an enjoying this book and the style of writing used. I hope this is how to post. I probably could ramble on more.
Thanks, Lynn   Yay! found it.

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 13:10

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Thank you Claire! Nicely done!

1. Did you find Novalee's superstition about seven's and the way she reacted when her bill came to $7.77 to be realistic? (If so, why? If not, why not?)

I found it realistic to Novalee as the character. From only two chapters, it seems to me she is beyond her 17 years in her ways of thinking. I guess we will find out as we continue if this is true. She has not made some wise choices so far in her life though! Yet, she has something *special* about her which draws others to her.

2. What themes if any do you see developing in the first two chapters?

Not sure!

3. Putting yourself in Novalee's shoes, what do you think you would have done if you had been left by Willy Jack?

Funny thing but I can relate to Novalee. She is obviously a Survivor! She thought through her options and was clear headed from the minute she realized that Willy Jack had left her stranded. Not sure how someone, what I've learned of her so far, ended up with a Willy Jack! So, this is the way I react. I start thinking of my options, my problem solving kicks in immediately. Now that I know so much about neuro reactions also with Sarc, I think I was lucky to learn these skills at a very early age...no choice!

I might be emotional for a brief period of time but it doesn't last long...I move into action mode!

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

I took this literally. That his skin was so dark she could see her image in his face. Descriptive in nature.

Great book choice! Easy reading, even on a neuro fatigue day for me! The librarian told me this is also a movie.
p.s.

Here is the answer to the question Sooner State..
Are questions answered only by the moderator or members?

In 1889, the Indian Territory was opened to settlers. Thousands of people lined up on the border and, when the signal was given, they raced into the territory to claim their land. Some people went in early to claim their land. They became known as Sooners.
Hence, Oklahoma's nickname today is “The Sooner State”.

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 14:00

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Answer to "Are questions answered only by the moderator or members?"

Questions posed are to be answered by anyone who wants to answer them. (My style as a moderator, if I pull it off as planned, is to pose questions and participate to the extent that I am comfortable as we go along...and possibly redirect discussion.)

My answer to "DOES ANYONE KNOW IN WHICH DECADE THIS STORY IS SET IN ?"

Based on the date of publication of the book with no reference so far as to date, I would say that the selection of WalMart and its omnipresent place in American life that the date is probably the late 80s, early 90s, but we may get more clues as we go along.

1. Did you find Novalee's superstition about seven's and the way she reacted when her bill came to $7.77 to be realistic? (If so, why? If not, why not?)

I can see how someone would develop an irrational superstition involving numbers. Whether or not I'd throw the money and run out of a place might depend on how hormonal I was--I've never been 7 months pregnant. Personally, when I was growing up, I thought the number 23 must be lucky because my father, brother, and I were all born on the 23rd, my parents were married on the 23rd, and my mother entered the country on the 23rd. One of my long-term partners was born on the 23rd and the owner of the business where I worked for the longest time in my life was born on the same day as me (actually, when there were only about 8 of us core, winter-time employees, three out of the eight were born on the same day) and the business became very successful. However, my father died at 57, my brother at 53, and so on. Although the #23 is a lucky tradition in movie making (the numbers 2 and 3 are power numbers--I don't really know if "power" is the right the word for it--in numerology and so 23 ought to be a powerful number), when a movie was finally made about the number 23, it was a scary movie. So much for supersitition.

2. What themes if any do you see developing in the first two chapters?

* Naivety / magical thinking

* Homecoming

3. Putting yourself in Novalee's shoes, what do you think you would have done if you had been left by Willy Jack?

For me, again the answer comes down to how hormonal I might be feeling at the time (given the pregnancy) and what my life experience had taught me thus far. Novalee seems very trusting and so I'm surprised she didn't confide in anyone, but then, I don't know much about her life experience except she doesn't feel like there is anyone solid she can rely on. By the time I was 17, the world had not been a very nice place to me and people had proven themselves not to be all that helpful or "Christian" in a overwhelmingly Christian country, and so I would probably have been plotting on how to live in the WalMart until I could assess my options. I am more trusting now than I would have been at 17, surprisingly, with even fewer expectations regarding the goodness of others (yes, Pollyanna, who took over in my 20s has left the premises).

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

I wasn't sure what she meant by this, but I'm thinking that the idea may be developed as the book goes along.

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 14:05

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Sunbeam, a small suggestion. When you have typed anything of any length in the MP reply box, consider highlighting it and hitting "control + C" to save a copy temporarily. Then, if you lose it somehow, you can open a new reply box and hit "control + V" to insert the text. Claire

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1. Did you find Novalee's superstition about seven's and the way she reacted when her bill came to $7.77 to be realistic? (If so, why? If not, why not?)

Realistic in that it happens that people can become superstitious feeling lucky or unsettled about certain numbers or things, maybe not realistic to be that way....When we first moved here to AZ, we lived in an apartment numbered 908, the managers were not very child friendly, my youngest picked up on this and got a bad feeling about the number 908 as a result. It was uncanny how many times she would notice 908 in things, but mostly she kept noticing whenever the clock would be precisely at 9:08.   It became eery after a few years to the point I started to wonder whether she'd had a bad past life experience relating to that number!

2. What themes if any do you see developing in the first two chapters?

Good in Novalee and everyone she meets.

Evil in Willy Jack and those he meets after dumping Novalee.

Naivete and magical thinking.

3. Putting yourself in Novalee's shoes, what do you think you would have done if you had been left by Willy Jack?

I would not have been trusting of others so most likely wouldn't have confided in any of them, maybe sister Thelma once trust was built.   I probably would've tried calling someone I knew to come get me, but this is the age of cell phones and I don't think she had one or much money to call.     I probably would've freaked out, had a good sob, then come to the realization that I had to start thinking about my options and fend for myself.    I can be persistent and dogged, so most likely I would've looked around to see what I could do to make some money.

I actually know someone with MCS who has no home, usually lives in his car, but right now his car is leaking something chemical under the hood that he can't tolerate, so he's spending his nights inside a WalMart...I'm hearing all about it, how he rearranges their stuff to get some rest on shelving and how they wax the floors all night long and how difficult it is to get into the restroom un-noticed as they keep it roped off a lot.

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

I took this literally too, just meaning his skin was so dark it reflected light and so became a mirror for her.   Although, I liked your idea, Sun, that she sees in him a kindred spirit who recognises the good in people.

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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 07:33

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Hi Book Club members,

It is great to read your posts and to see all the different takes on the first two chapters of this book.
Thank you to Claire for the tip on how to save my writing. Thank you Deb for the information on 'The Sooners State". I'm sure I will learn a lot more about your big country as we continue,
Regards Lynn.

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Claire, thanks so much for the great work you have done to create this book club. I just got my book today from the library as they had to bring one in for me from another library and couldn't wait to get it this morning so I could start reading.

In what decade is the book set?

Some possible insight into Sunbeam's question regarding the decade in which the book is set could be obtained from the name John Cougar Mellencamp, the musician Novalee thinks Willy Jack resembles. This artist used the stage name John Cougar 1976-1982, then added his family surname Mellencamp and became John Cougar Mellencamp 1983-1990 and finally dropped the Cougar to be John Mellencamp 1991-Present. Based upon the author's use of John Cougar Mellencamp we may assume the time setting is 1983-1990.

1. Did you find Novalee's superstition about seven's and the way she reacted when her bill came to $7.77 to be realistic? (If so, why? If not, why not?)

Yes, I found her superstition to be very believable. The history we are given of Novalee; she is a high school dropout, she doesn't appear to have had a stable home having lived in 7 house trailers in her 17 years of life, her lack of a mother from the age of 7 indicate a young uneducated, naive girl. Her use of "lick a gift horse in the mouth" rather than the original "look a gift horse in the mouth" gives us another indication of Novalee's knowledge base.

2. What themes if any do you see developing in the first two chapters?

Giving - the kindness and goodness of giving. Sister Husband gives the welcome basket with her last and slightly used date book. Benny Goodluck gives Novalee the buckeye tree and Moses Whitecotton gives Novalee the baby book.

Trust - Novalee is a very trusting girl. She gives trust and gets trust.

3. Putting yourself in Novalee's shoes, what do you think you would have done if you had been left by Willy Jack?

I don't know!

Reflecting back on myself at 17 I certainly wouldn't have had the ability to accept and adapt as Novalee did. I would have probably immediately looked for an authority figure to help me; probably gone to the police station.

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

Two souls seeking to define/be themselves? Mr. Whitecotton's placing of importance on one's name seemed to be part of Novalee's developing (or assumed to be developed) sense of self. Who is she? And will she define herself as she sees her reflection in the people she meets along the way?

I really enjoyed reading all the other replies to the questions and am looking forward to more reading and discussion.

Audrey

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afetzer wrote: Her use of "lick a gift horse in the mouth" rather than the original "look a gift horse in the mouth" gives us another indication of Novalee's knowledge base.

Trust - Novalee is a very trusting girl. She gives trust and gets trust.

4. What do you think that Novalee meant when she said, after looking at the picture of Mr. Whitecotton and herself, that she could see her face in his?

Two souls seeking to define/be themselves? Mr. Whitecotton's placing of importance on one's name seemed to be part of Novalee's developing (or assumed to be developed) sense of self. Who is she? And will she define herself as she sees her reflection in the people she meets along the way?

Audrey,

In regard to "lick a gift horse in the mouth," my mixing metaphor herx (I am Archie Bunker in that way), which has been going on since my 30s at least, has me wondering, "Have I been saying the saying wrong all these years?!"

Thanks for pointing out how trusting Novalee is. At the same time, she trusted Willy Jack. There's something in the Tao about trusting people whether they deserve it or not. I'll have to look that up. However, I find that I do have trusted far too many Willy Jacks in my life, which is why Pollyanna has left the premises...searching for that balance. Perhaps it has to do with knowing a Willy Jack when you see one, extending trust (while still covering your backside), but knowing that given his basic nature, he has a good chance of doing you wrong.

Also, I loved that you brought up Whitecotton's discussion of his name and what it says about where we come from, who we are, and the fact that Novalee is asking in her own way, "Who am I?"

Claire

P.S. Glad you are enjoying the process!

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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 21:25

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Claire, hi. Love your sense of humor!

There have been multiple Willy Jack's in my life. I've recently reflected on this as one of them I believe truly "stole a part of my soul". It was only when I allowed myself to reflect back on this man and my relationship with him and say "It's OK" that I was able to let go of the guilt and shame that I have carried for so many years regarding him and my relationship with him.

I realized that it was "OK" because while I had given way too much of myself to a man who could not appreciate what I had given and did not respect me for what I had given I learned from the losses while with him and after him. And I'm WHOLE today, even though I gave away way too much because I was too trusting.

So maybe some of us just have to have at least one Willy Jack (or more

) in our life so we can learn; about ourselves and about the Willy Jacks of this world.

Audrey

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Yikes! I haven't started my book yet! Guess what I'll be doing today? I'll tell the girls I can't help with chores or dinner prep... I need to read. Heh, heh, heh.

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It's a quick read Juanita girl....If you want to get out of both dinner prep and chores....beter read S-L-O-W-L-Y!!!!

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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 05:43

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Hi Audrey,

I didn't know all those things about John Mellencamp. Thanks for working that out for us. I agree Novalee was very naive, so was I at 17 yrs old. It is hard to recognise the 'Willie Jacks' of this world untill it is to late and there are many about.
Regards Lynn

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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 14:54

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Sunbeam, hi. "John Cougar" burst onto the music scene when I was in High School and he was soooo HOT!

I continued to be a fan of his through the years so was aware when he was referred to in the book as John Cougar Mellencamp that the name helped define a specific "historic" timeperiod.

Coincidentally, one of my younger brothers has lived in Seymour, IN for over 25 years, the hometown of John Mellencamp, who still lives there. And "yes" my brother and his wife has run into John Mellencamp shopping in the grocery store. My extended rub with "fame".

Audrey

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